http://officer-leon.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] officer-leon.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] damned_bulletin2008-05-16 04:01 pm

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Does anyone know anything about the visitors who come here? I've heard rumors that they're fakes. Are they actors or something?

Also, I'm looking to speak with the man who attacked Diva last night. I'd like to talk with him.

- Leon Kennedy

[identity profile] opposingheaven.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
They aren't actors unless they somehow managed to find actors who looked exactly like people you know and care about, and got their mannerisms, voices etc absolutely 110% spot on.

[identity profile] grosse-sklaven.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I might be wrong, of course, but I'd say they're closer to being brainwashed than anything else. Mine, at least, was the genuine article. Just... shattered.
-Adel

[Trying to be anonymous]

[identity profile] haiiro-no-chou.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
I don't mean to cause you any unnecessary pain, but may I ask how you know?

[identity profile] grosse-sklaven.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It's difficult to explain to someone who doesn't have the right frame of reference, but the person they sent me didn't quite fit into the mold they set for him. There are some things that run deeper than the mind; this person still had that, even though it would have been detrimental to the Institute for that thing to remain.
-Adel

P.S. I believe this person's explanation makes the most sense. Remember that the night before, the Head Doctor referred to them as being real. In this case, I don't think he was lying. ((He has circled Hitsugaya's explanation))

[Trying to be anonymous]

[identity profile] haiiro-no-chou.livejournal.com 2008-05-18 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the explanation.

[identity profile] whiteychan.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I think brainwashed is more likely than fake. Much as what happens when prisoners are taken at night to fight against one another, I suspect they use a different form of the same methods to make them act the way they do.

[identity profile] haiiro-no-chou.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Do you real Sir, may I ask why you believe this?

-Kuchiki Rukia

[identity profile] whiteychan.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
It seems a logical assumption. If they're able to manipulate time, pull people out of time, and brainwash them at will as they have with some of us, then it would undoubtedly be a more effective means of torture if they use the genuine article than a cheap imitation. Those so manipulated may not even remember having had this done to them, and were planted back in their own time with no one the wiser. It's difficult to say.

I haven't had a visitor yet, so I can't confirm these theories, but that would be my best guess.

[identity profile] haiiro-no-chou.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
I see. I hope you do not have any visitors.

Thank you, sir.

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[identity profile] hajike-tobiume.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
You are WRONG. No one could brainwash Aizen-sama. But he I don't know. I don't

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[identity profile] whiteychan.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
If you have something to say, just come out and say it.

[messy anonymous writing]

[identity profile] hajike-tobiume.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
Some things are better of not being said. Sometimes it takes seeing them in writing to realize they should not be voiced.

[identity profile] broken-babylon.livejournal.com 2008-05-18 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't it also possible that they are illusions drawn from our own memories? I know of one magic practitioner who can make illusions real enough to fool all the senses, even magical ones. Though he doesn't have his full powers here, surely the masters of this place are familiar with such spells, as well.

[identity profile] whiteychan.livejournal.com 2008-05-19 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
Possible, yes. Mine is only a hypothesis, and the one which seems the most likely. They already have a technique for brainwashing patients, as well as pulling individuals from our own worlds. I don't see why they'd use a different technique from an already effective one; however, they might, and your theory is equally sound.

[identity profile] broken-babylon.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
It seems to me that if they had the means to make the brainwashing permanent, then there would be no need for this facility at all. They could simply perform the procedure on each of us as they grabbed us, and that would be the end of it. Illusion would enable them to make us think that they can break and brainwash people permanently, however, which would be to their benefit.

[identity profile] whiteychan.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
But there's also no guarantee that these visitations were permanent, either. They last no longer than the night; in fact, they take up less time. And brainwashing to some degree has been proven as a permanent occurance here. I encountered a man who had vanished from the institute long before I arrived, but when he showed up he had no memory of his time here.

[identity profile] broken-babylon.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
It's been shown, though, that they can take people from different points in time, or even from slightly alternate realities. It's possible they just took this person from a time or version when he simply hadn't been here before.

However, your point about the length of visitations is a good one--I think it's one that needs to be stressed though. Just because we can be shown visitors who seem to follow what the Institute wants, that doesn't mean our loved ones are truly broken or brainwashed--it could be as temporary as the night-time brainwashings.

I think assuming they can already permanently break people and send them back as visitors is likely to instill the kind of hopelessness that only benefits them.

[trying to be anonymous, but his handwriting is pretty distinctively...bad.]

[identity profile] degozaruyo.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
They're real.

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[identity profile] janus-006.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I was lucky enough to get a little face time with one of them.

My visitor looked like James he ought to have, sounded like Jahimself, hell, even acted like himself. But he was not James who he was pretending to be. And if he was, then someone had to have messed with his head because there's no other reason why he'd visit me except to gloat

[identity profile] rope-victim.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
When my brother visited me, he was perfect. Right down to his smile. They'll fabricate everything, of course. He's apparently now marrying the woman who killed him took him away...
screwthegods: (So very disappointed)

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[personal profile] screwthegods 2008-05-16 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Why would they need to hire actors when torturing us with people we care about would be so much more effective?

Sh They are real. As others have said, brainwashed to believe they are part of the lives they tell us we lead in this world.

[identity profile] son-ofkrypton.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think they're actors or fakes. But I'm sure what they're told isn't true.

- C.K.

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[identity profile] jurisfictional.livejournal.com 2008-05-17 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty damn sure they're the real thing - the doctors must have gotten to them somehow. That, or they're the version of the real thing that exists in this world - which doesn't change the fact that they're still the real thing, if that makes sense.

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[identity profile] full-score.livejournal.com 2008-05-18 07:24 am (UTC)(link)
It sounds like a lot of other people think they're real too. I was afraid of that.

I wonder how they were brainwashed. Or what happens to them once visitations are over...

[anonymous, slightly rigid handwriting, strikeouts illegible]

[identity profile] thehellismycar.livejournal.com 2008-05-18 10:45 am (UTC)(link)
Who a Talk?

How is she?

[identity profile] high-prosecutor.livejournal.com 2008-05-19 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
According to a friend, it was as if the visitor had been pulled back from the dead and...broken, somehow. She wasn't the same as she had been while she was alive.

He said if she was an actor or a fake, she was a damn good one.

-- M.E.

[identity profile] part1of3.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 10:40 am (UTC)(link)
I had a visitor! And I had a quite nice time with her, actually ♥